#7 If You're Melting | Shelby Hartman and Madison Margolin

September 29, 2020
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Shelby Hartman and Madison Margolin are changing the narrative around psychedelic drugs with their print magazine ‘Double Blind’ that covers stories about psychedelics from around the globe. Before the magazine – the two worked with notable publications including Rolling Stone, HERB, Vice Media, High Times, and LA Weekly.

Connecting with psychedelics from a young age – both Shelby and Madison are focused on a mission to educate people about the potential of psychedelic experiences – and to assist them with their own healing and personal growth.

They join Ronan to discuss how psychedelics create a positive ripple effect on society when they heal the individual. Then, Madison shares how her first trip was the most impactful – and Shelby says psychedelics showed her what it means to be human. Psychedelics can heal, but they are not a magic bullet; that’s why it’s important for us to be candid about our experiences.

Learn more at doubleblindmag.com and follow Shelby Hartman (@shelbyannehart) and Madison Margolin (@madisonmargolin) on Instagram! 

The origin story of ‘Double Blind’ and the role of science in our approach. (3:30)

Psychedelics are not about just healing the individual – they help the community and society at large – creating a ripple effect of globally conscious citizens. (7:03)

Madison’s first trip was one of her most impactful – and she took inspiration from seeing the book cover ‘Be Here Now” by Ram Dass. Psychedelics can be used as an inspiration for daily sober living. (10:10)

Integration is the real work – and psychedelics help you reintegrate as a whole. (12:40)

For Shelby, her first time on ayahuasca was one of the most profound experiences. It shaped her outlook on the world – and provided clarity on her understanding of what it meant to be human. (13:50)

Afterwards, she felt much peace. But on the second night, Shelby spent her trip resisting what was happening. Some of the best advice she relied on: “if you’re melting – melt” and “the only way out – is through”. For Shelby, seeing a psychedelic integration therapist after the experience would have been helpful. (17:00)

Shelby and Madison are passionate about the potential of psychedelics to heal – but not a magic bullet and not for everyone. That’s why it’s important we are candid about our experiences. (19:00)

Why the mainstream needs to become more psychedelic. (25:00)

‘Double Blind’ and ‘Field Trip Psychedelics’ are both organizations who are deeply passionate about the therapeutic potential of psychedelic and we are working towards a world where people who can heal from them in a safe and compassionate context. (26:30)

Shelby would love to see her Dad take a trip one day – and since COVID hit – she thinks he is finally coming around. (32:40)

Psychedelics aren’t just about healing one person. Once one person starts on a path to healing, they start everyone around them on a path to healing. Psychedelics can help you to re-integrate yourself as a whole. (35:10)



About Ronan

An entrepreneur and a visionary, Ronan is one the founders of Field Trip – with a mission to bring the world to life through psychedelics and psychedelic-enhanced psychotherapy. Concurrent with his work at Field Trip, he is a partner at Grassfed Ventures, a venture capital and advisory firm focused on the cannabis and biotech industries and is Chief Strategy Officer and Member of the Board of Directors for Trait Biosciences Inc., a leading biotech company in the hemp and cannabis industries. Prior to his current roles, Ronan co-founded Canadian Cannabis Clinics and CanvasRx Inc., the latter of which was acquired by Aurora Cannabis Inc. (NYSE: ACB) in 2016, after which he served as Senior Vice President, Business and Corporate Affairs for Aurora. A lawyer by training, Ronan started his career as a corporate lawyer at Blake, Cassels Graydon LLP and Legal Counsel at CTVglobemedia Inc. (now Bell Media Inc.) He holds a Juris Doctor and a Bachelor of Commerce degree, both from the University of Toronto.